Ohio is notorious among the States for investing large sums of money into economic development and business incubation to obtain negative growth over the last 30 years.
You are correct. The cult of MAGA does think very much differently then I. I occupy the space in the middle, not left or right and I expect the extreme elements of today to disagree with the position in the middle for we in the middle are few and conservative in the old definition of the word.
Constitutions as documents of governance should be difficult to amend and be outlines of government operation and the rights of the citizen, not traffic laws and noise ordnances. However, the method is what it is, and you can't put the goal post on wheels and move it around at the will of the ruling party to duck the will of the people. If issue ONE was so easy to defeat in 2024, why then did the Republican powers put it on an "off" year election and try to move the goal post on Amendments in a special election before the regular election? That smell blowing in from the right is really fishy as sensed from the middle of the road.
Redistrict the state out of the gerrymandered mess. clean out the gaff and corruption. End Citizen United and do away with the current campaign financing system. Elect people who adhere to the principles of compromise, civility (PC, polite curtesy), problem solving for the common good with learned understanding (smart people). Then you can think about what the constitution should say.
Yes, the numbers for November 2023 are correct as you indicated which is 49.63% of the reg. voters [7,988,132] which is down from 8,029,950 in Nov. 2022. I wonder where those voters went? The percentage in the BIG on year election was 52.32%. In Nov. 2020 the record was set with 73.99%. So what I am seeing is most election, have sub 50% turn outs. But the important part is more of the voters voted for the issue. and that means that it is the law of the land, and the MAGA cult rules of if I don't like the result of a fair, free and binding election then I will ignore it and complain. The problem is most of the elections are minority turn outs with respect to the total number of qualified voters over the age of 18. Which make a fine thing to use to pass an unpopular law while nobody is looking. If only the Republicans could figure how to make it rain hard on November 4th.
Well, you can keep dismissing the math as Cult of Maga - which is nothing but an affront and dismissal of anyone that thinks differently than you - but the math is the math. A superminorty of people changed Ohio's Constitution. I believe that we should have at the least 40% of all voters vote in the affirmative for it to change the law - something that was not at all possible for the anti-abortion advocates and their out-of-state money to accomplish - because Ohio leans right - not left. Its disingenuous to say that the people have spoken because if the same vote were to happen in 2024 during a presidential general election Issue 1 would have never passed. Limiting our Constitution to being changed to every 4 years I think is not something that is left or right - but is a policy that matches the will of the people to be representative of the law. But you can keep fooling yourself and keep trying to get a rise out of anyone that disagrees with you - but people reading this will only believe that you are disingenuous.
I don't know about disingenuous. I do know that I am earnest. The total voter turnout in that election was almost as large as the last Presidental election which was one of the largest in Ohio history. That number was not as large as it should have been. With the Republican efforts to lower the number of voters and gerrymandering a little help from anywhere to engage the citizens to vote is a good thing for government. Every citizen should study and vote. This being part of the job of a citizen. So, I say again, the citizens that voted for the issue were in the majority not a super minority. The 70% figure is incorrect. The number is 100%. No human being in Ohio or anywhere else in the world thinks that abortion is a good idea along with other personal situations such as terminal cancer. The citizens in their collective wisdom came to a rational conclusion that the unfortunate and deeply personal decisions on one's reproductive health should not be dictated by the Government. That some limiting conditions to efficacy and medical good practices seem to be what the citizens are amenable to.
I do not understand what the RPS is and will have to study the activity before I comment on it.
As far as what passes for Republican in Ohio, written large R, the party should not be using the proper noun. They should change the name to the political cult known as MAGA. The true Republicans can clean up the corruption from within and return to the principals of fair elections with proportional representation by ending gerrymandering and removing the corrupting influence of money in politics. The true meaning of conservative fiscal policy. I would also make those same recommendations to the Democratic party.
No, a super minority of voters voted - only 3,964,530 voted in 2023 of about 8 million registered voters. It was no where near the 2020 presidential election in Ohio which was 5,974,121. 74% versus 50%. Remember of that 50% only 2,186,965 of that 8 million (only 27% of all possible voters voted for enshrining child sacrifice into the Ohio Constitution. SORRY - but yes - it was a superminority of voters that changed the Ohio Constitution.
There was no collective wisdom about child sacrifice - and you are honestly comparing a child to cancer? Wow. - just wow. I also don't think you have a firm grasp on the magnitude of the corruption - nor true fiscal policy.
"Conservative economic principles dictate a cautious approach to government intervention in the marketplace." Does this mean a $60,000,000 payment and a fraudulent election to benefit the interest a private business it is conservative intervention? Republican hypocrite.
The People have spoken. Honor the vote. Reproductive matters and medical health care are private personal matters and not the business of the Government, Church, or the neighbor.
Peter, you are being disingenuous again. The people have not spoken - not at all. A small minority of voters - voting in an off year election - equating to 27% of all registered voters - voted to affirm child sacrifice upon demand. This was by no means a majority of Ohioans. While survey after survey confirms that a majority of Ohioans (over 70%) identify as being pro-life with exceptions and only about 20% of this group identifies as being pro-life with no exceptions. Being a hypocrite is advocating for majority rule and then not seeking a majority - or Republican rule that protects the rights of all human beings and then ignoring the lives of the pre-born.
As far as the $60 million dollar reference, I have been at the forefront of stating that unethical activity cannot be tolerated by Democrats and Republicans and that to my dismay, that many Republicans are okay with Republican candidates leading the way on corrupt activity. It would be moronic to believe that the Ohio Republican Party leads the way with ethics or morality - it is not - and it is more corrupt than the Democrat party - hence the call for REFORM of the Republican Party.
But still, you are disingenuous with a cognitive dissonance in ignoring the $billions of dollars that Ohio has spent in propping up private businesses through the Renewable Portfolio Standard mandates - which far outpace Householder and First Energy.....and even though the RPS standard was put in place under Governor Strickland - this monstrosity was led by Republicans calling themselves free-market conservatives. Ohio's RPS has not benefitted Ohio's economy nor its environment in any discernible way. Additionally, a great deception and fraud is allowed to occur in the selling of supposedly green energy - which is not at all what it is purported to be green.
As deceptive as the RPS mandates are and that the Householder and First Energy Scandal are - even more so is the narrative coming from the left - that somehow the people have spoken on marijuana and abortion. The millions upon millions of dollars spent by out of state interests to confuse the voters of the issues was appalling. To say because a super minority of People were encouraged by out of state interests to get out and vote in an off year election is somehow representative of the state of Ohio is allowing for the willing suspension of the facts.
You are correct. The cult of MAGA does think very much differently then I. I occupy the space in the middle, not left or right and I expect the extreme elements of today to disagree with the position in the middle for we in the middle are few and conservative in the old definition of the word.
Constitutions as documents of governance should be difficult to amend and be outlines of government operation and the rights of the citizen, not traffic laws and noise ordnances. However, the method is what it is, and you can't put the goal post on wheels and move it around at the will of the ruling party to duck the will of the people. If issue ONE was so easy to defeat in 2024, why then did the Republican powers put it on an "off" year election and try to move the goal post on Amendments in a special election before the regular election? That smell blowing in from the right is really fishy as sensed from the middle of the road.
Redistrict the state out of the gerrymandered mess. clean out the gaff and corruption. End Citizen United and do away with the current campaign financing system. Elect people who adhere to the principles of compromise, civility (PC, polite curtesy), problem solving for the common good with learned understanding (smart people). Then you can think about what the constitution should say.
Yes, the numbers for November 2023 are correct as you indicated which is 49.63% of the reg. voters [7,988,132] which is down from 8,029,950 in Nov. 2022. I wonder where those voters went? The percentage in the BIG on year election was 52.32%. In Nov. 2020 the record was set with 73.99%. So what I am seeing is most election, have sub 50% turn outs. But the important part is more of the voters voted for the issue. and that means that it is the law of the land, and the MAGA cult rules of if I don't like the result of a fair, free and binding election then I will ignore it and complain. The problem is most of the elections are minority turn outs with respect to the total number of qualified voters over the age of 18. Which make a fine thing to use to pass an unpopular law while nobody is looking. If only the Republicans could figure how to make it rain hard on November 4th.
Well, you can keep dismissing the math as Cult of Maga - which is nothing but an affront and dismissal of anyone that thinks differently than you - but the math is the math. A superminorty of people changed Ohio's Constitution. I believe that we should have at the least 40% of all voters vote in the affirmative for it to change the law - something that was not at all possible for the anti-abortion advocates and their out-of-state money to accomplish - because Ohio leans right - not left. Its disingenuous to say that the people have spoken because if the same vote were to happen in 2024 during a presidential general election Issue 1 would have never passed. Limiting our Constitution to being changed to every 4 years I think is not something that is left or right - but is a policy that matches the will of the people to be representative of the law. But you can keep fooling yourself and keep trying to get a rise out of anyone that disagrees with you - but people reading this will only believe that you are disingenuous.
I don't know about disingenuous. I do know that I am earnest. The total voter turnout in that election was almost as large as the last Presidental election which was one of the largest in Ohio history. That number was not as large as it should have been. With the Republican efforts to lower the number of voters and gerrymandering a little help from anywhere to engage the citizens to vote is a good thing for government. Every citizen should study and vote. This being part of the job of a citizen. So, I say again, the citizens that voted for the issue were in the majority not a super minority. The 70% figure is incorrect. The number is 100%. No human being in Ohio or anywhere else in the world thinks that abortion is a good idea along with other personal situations such as terminal cancer. The citizens in their collective wisdom came to a rational conclusion that the unfortunate and deeply personal decisions on one's reproductive health should not be dictated by the Government. That some limiting conditions to efficacy and medical good practices seem to be what the citizens are amenable to.
I do not understand what the RPS is and will have to study the activity before I comment on it.
As far as what passes for Republican in Ohio, written large R, the party should not be using the proper noun. They should change the name to the political cult known as MAGA. The true Republicans can clean up the corruption from within and return to the principals of fair elections with proportional representation by ending gerrymandering and removing the corrupting influence of money in politics. The true meaning of conservative fiscal policy. I would also make those same recommendations to the Democratic party.
No, a super minority of voters voted - only 3,964,530 voted in 2023 of about 8 million registered voters. It was no where near the 2020 presidential election in Ohio which was 5,974,121. 74% versus 50%. Remember of that 50% only 2,186,965 of that 8 million (only 27% of all possible voters voted for enshrining child sacrifice into the Ohio Constitution. SORRY - but yes - it was a superminority of voters that changed the Ohio Constitution.
There was no collective wisdom about child sacrifice - and you are honestly comparing a child to cancer? Wow. - just wow. I also don't think you have a firm grasp on the magnitude of the corruption - nor true fiscal policy.
"Conservative economic principles dictate a cautious approach to government intervention in the marketplace." Does this mean a $60,000,000 payment and a fraudulent election to benefit the interest a private business it is conservative intervention? Republican hypocrite.
The People have spoken. Honor the vote. Reproductive matters and medical health care are private personal matters and not the business of the Government, Church, or the neighbor.
Peter, you are being disingenuous again. The people have not spoken - not at all. A small minority of voters - voting in an off year election - equating to 27% of all registered voters - voted to affirm child sacrifice upon demand. This was by no means a majority of Ohioans. While survey after survey confirms that a majority of Ohioans (over 70%) identify as being pro-life with exceptions and only about 20% of this group identifies as being pro-life with no exceptions. Being a hypocrite is advocating for majority rule and then not seeking a majority - or Republican rule that protects the rights of all human beings and then ignoring the lives of the pre-born.
As far as the $60 million dollar reference, I have been at the forefront of stating that unethical activity cannot be tolerated by Democrats and Republicans and that to my dismay, that many Republicans are okay with Republican candidates leading the way on corrupt activity. It would be moronic to believe that the Ohio Republican Party leads the way with ethics or morality - it is not - and it is more corrupt than the Democrat party - hence the call for REFORM of the Republican Party.
But still, you are disingenuous with a cognitive dissonance in ignoring the $billions of dollars that Ohio has spent in propping up private businesses through the Renewable Portfolio Standard mandates - which far outpace Householder and First Energy.....and even though the RPS standard was put in place under Governor Strickland - this monstrosity was led by Republicans calling themselves free-market conservatives. Ohio's RPS has not benefitted Ohio's economy nor its environment in any discernible way. Additionally, a great deception and fraud is allowed to occur in the selling of supposedly green energy - which is not at all what it is purported to be green.
As deceptive as the RPS mandates are and that the Householder and First Energy Scandal are - even more so is the narrative coming from the left - that somehow the people have spoken on marijuana and abortion. The millions upon millions of dollars spent by out of state interests to confuse the voters of the issues was appalling. To say because a super minority of People were encouraged by out of state interests to get out and vote in an off year election is somehow representative of the state of Ohio is allowing for the willing suspension of the facts.